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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:00:00 -
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If I swing my fist it's your fault you got hit because if you weren't in the way there would only have been insensitive air to punch.
Uh huh.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:10:00 -
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ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:If I swing my fist it's your fault you got hit because if you weren't in the way there would only have been insensitive air to punch.
Uh huh. How about you actually think about the game balance instead of sperging idiotic comments ?
If a ship participates in combat it should be under the same limitations as another ship that participates in combat. Just because interdictors have gotten a relatively safe niche doesn't mean it continues to deserve it.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:13:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:If I swing my fist it's your fault you got hit because if you weren't in the way there would only have been insensitive air to punch.
Uh huh. You can stab me in the fists to stop me. Oh, and I'm also made of paper. Bad analogy for you to use.
It's a fair analogy. Stealth bombers can't jump after launching a bomb. I can't ECM someone and then jump.
Boo all you want, but launching a warp disrupt probe is an act of aggression and deserve the consequences of that decision.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:25:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Then put me on the km no matter what.
That's a fair request and I think you should push for that. It's true that interdictors take a greater risk and at least should warp away. I don't think they should be allowed to jump for an easy way out in addition to having superiority on the other side of a gate, but I don't think they should need to shoot anyone to be counted.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:40:00 -
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Morganta wrote:couldn't you guys just make non-anchored bubbles pop when the owner leaves grid?
At a glance I see that as a good idea, but the problem is it removes the risk of making a Bad Decision. If an interdictor fails to account for their allies arriving or don't plan a safe escape in advance then they should be held to the same consequence as a bomber or anything else who does the same.
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:41:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:Should have happened a long time ago.
Now we just need RR/assistance also counted as aggression.
Seriously.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:50:00 -
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cBOLTSON wrote:Like others have said, no more dropping bubbles to slow down persuing attackers.
This does put an end to that tactic, unfortunately. Interdictors will just have to respond to threats the way any other ship would. It's not a defensive ship, it's an offensive ship with the purpose of stopping people from running away.
cBOLTSON wrote:No more bubbling and jumping through a gate in fleet fights.
That is an unfair tactic that removes the aggressor from harm in a way no other ship has the convenience of exploiting.
cBOLTSON wrote:Anyone who has actually flown a paper thin dictor will understand how these changes are bad.
Bad for abusive gameplay and people too afraid of consequences for their actions. I don't care how paper thin the ship is, it's purpose is to deploy a warp disruption field. If you want a little skin on top of that, get a HIC.
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:04:00 -
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cBOLTSON wrote:As far as I am aware every ship in eve can be used in any purpose it likes. There is no clear defensive or aggressive ship. Only what people do with them.
And an act of aggression deserves the same consequences for any ship. Interdictors do not deserve the freedom to bail out after participating. If someone wants to do that, they should set up stationary bubbles.
cBOLTSON wrote:If everyone thinks this is a good change then I must have missed all of the talk and discussion on this topic....
Mob rule is not equal to democracy... well, not that EVE is anything of either sort, but just because the people who get screwed over aren't vocal about it makes their opinion any less important. This is a mechanic that gives the aggressor inherent strength over the victim.
Anyways, this is far from granting anyone the power to instantly murder interdictors, numbers still very much do matter and a situation where an interdictor is already involved is generally in the hands of a larger, better skilled fleet. This really is only a detriment to fleets that lacks a good technique.
cBOLTSON wrote:Like I said the tactic is still viable, it just means the dictor pilot will have to be on his A game.
I wouldn't ask anything less from anyone, and now interdictors demand better discipline.
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:09:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:U are really stupid, does this mean if u anchor a mobile bubble for yourselve (not corp) u deserve to get 24/7 agroo??
Nonsense, the problem here is excess protection and superiority for interdictors. If they want to run away, warp out. If they want to command both sides of a gate, bring two interdictors. Deploying a stationary field has its own risks and costs.
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Your resoning is really flawed,
Your dictor needs 2 bubble launchers for this: there is timer between launching bubbles (tactik is gone: always agroo dictor bubbles) Your dictor loses dps and tank on this way Your dictor need atleast 1 scram and 2 webs to slow down anything that is not a T1 hauler preventing from burning back to the gate
Fail with capital F
I bet u never flown a dictor
It doesn't matter if a ship loses DPS if they never intend to use it. What has been done is launching the probe invokes an aggression timer. If after that timer ends the field spills anyone's milk it doesn't matter.
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:17:00 -
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cBOLTSON wrote:Thankyou for the constructive critisism. Its a nice change from the usual forum rants.
I'm happy you see if for that, most people assume I'm either trying to big word them to death or that I'm attacking them.
cBOLTSON wrote:The thing I mostly have a problem with is that deploying a bubble affects your own fleet as much as it would others. I dont see it as an act of aggression, more a landscape changer.
I suppose it could be argued that its changing the favour of the landscape to suit the dictor pilot. I dont know. I just dont like this change and think it is ill concieved.
There may have been a better solution, there may have been hundreds of better solutions. There is the fact that if I drop a bomb, even on my own fleet, I'm still committing an act of aggression. The game doesn't know whether my fleet wanted me to do that or if I'm a sleeper "accidentally" attacking my own fleet, and it's not like anyone gets to opt out of a disruption field due to inconvenience.
cBOLTSON wrote:Either way it is comming I guess so I will have to deal with it.
Still CCP sould REALLY discuss these sort of changes before hand......silly icelandic ruffians!
Though it is a change I like I am uncomfortable with the lack of warning. People who don't keep up on the patch notes won't have the opportunity to adapt. People who have better ideas don't have the chance to submit them. If this was a last-second decision, it was a mistake to drop it on us without an opportunity for testing/discussing.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:19:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:If CCP is rlly op they gave u agression only when someone warp inline to your bubble and shows agression timer. What u do is twisting facts around, its fail
If I launch a bomb/probe/anything else and my target just happens to get out of the way in time, do I deserve to wimp out and run off in a way formerly unique to interdictors?
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:32:00 -
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Soi Mala wrote:Surely this should be changed for ALL area of effect weapons? After all, If you're firing smartbombs, or ECM bursts, you're doing so with hostile intent.
Otherwise, this is just discrimination yo'.
I absolutely agree.
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:43:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Something?
I really would like to continue this discussion with you but I just don't have the facility to understand what you're saying. Can you simplify that for me?
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:50:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Aphoxema G wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Something? I really would like to continue this discussion with you but I just don't have the facility to understand what you're saying. Can you simplify that for me? learn dutch and i will
Okay, to the part I did understand... your experience with interdictors and your obvious success with them doesn't really have much impact on the point here. I don't have to use an interdictor to understand that there is an unfair advantage in allowing an interdictor to jump after launching a disruption probe. This apparently isn't a problem for you anyways because you actually have killmails to show me instead of cowering and running away.
As for commanding both sides of a gate... I don't care about the sacrifice you make in having two probe launchers. You should have to choose which side of that gate you'll be on when the fight starts, and if your fleet is concerned about it then they should bring two interdictors or resort to more traditional methods of screwing people over.
I don't doubt your ability, and I respect what you can accomplish because I really suck at everything. It just isn't fair that interdictors are free to chicken out or avoid bad directions.
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